hi everybody,
Can you help me understand the profound reason Seth gives here. the simple reason I get, but the second one... wow.
Thanks!
Mipam

Quote from session 249:

Now looking from your planet, outward as you think, at the quasars, your scientists believe that they look backward in space, in your terms. This is erroneous. It is true enough within the present framework of your knowledge, and the idea will work in the same way that the cause and effect theory works, which is only up to a certain pint.


The idea will seem legitimate, and then suddenly it will fall apart. It will fall apart for a very simple reason, and for a more profound one.


The simple reason, so simple that it appears childlike, is this. If you can look backward from your planetary viewpoint with your physical instruments, and using your own terms and definitions, then from some point you see within the same framework, your scientists should be able to look forward, and they cannot.


That is the simple reason. The profound reason is as simple to say, but more difficult to understand. Using your terms again, and your scientific framework, when you look outward away from your planet, and when you assume that you are looking backward in time, you are simply looking into, or toward, what may be described for analogy’s sake, the centre, or core, of an infinite sphere, which exists, you see, in your terms as far on the other side of the inner core, and in all directions. You cannot look away from it, for you are not on any outward edge or skin of it, from which to get such viewpoint.

And time does not exist as a past, present and future in your terms. We will here get rather complicated, I’m afraid.

Hi mipam - I haven't read the early sessions but I thought for fun I'd give you my understanding of this.

I’ll have a try at this – The key phrase is: ‘looking backward in space’

Simple reason:
From our planet looking in any direction into space we only see what we understand as ‘backward in space’ . There is no point from which we can say ‘after that’ is forward in space. Seth I think says we co-create the universe that we see instantaneously – it’s existence seems continuous to us.

The basic idea here is a position is simply a frequency of vibration, changing position simply means changing frequency – you have not ‘moved’ at all. I mentioned earlier even when you’re travelling at speed in a car you’re actually not moving. The co-creaters ( In and outside the car) are simply doing the work by their expectation and frequency changes. You made the reality you are seeing but in truth there is no backwards or forwards or movement. We derive movement from cause and effect.

Profound reason: The key phrase is: ‘when you look outward away from your planet, and when you assume that you are looking backward in time,’

First there is no forward or backward in space or time. All time and space exists at once in the space time fabric. You are always in your point of ‘now’. If you want to go to another point of now you simply go there by changing vibration and that is your point of now. There is no travelling backward or forward in time or position, ‘you’ (energy with a frequency of vibration) when you wish … go from one point of now to the next point of now as they all exist at once !

Now to the infinite sphere, (remember half of infinity is infinity). If the sphere is infinite you can never reach the surface or the core. Assuming the sphere is the space time fabric of our universe any point is as valid as another. I believe Seth confirms the universe is expanding and there are multiple universes with a ‘core or central’ universe – like and orange or onion I can’t remember.

Seth once mentioned an exercise where he tried to project his consciousness and at the limit he described a feeling where he became aware of another type of reality or consciousness which was unfamiliar to him. He thought this was possibly in another universe or the edges of this one.

I’m not sure I explained it all but maybe someone else can add or correct me. I've enjoyed trying !!

SID

Oh! Nikola Tesla tried to navigate the space time fabric with a ship design, see link below.
There in controversy about if it was ever built. There are reports a propotype was built - on the first trial he described the ship and everthing in it melted into the surroundings and nothing appeared solid anymore. They ended up about approx 40 miles away in an instant. Tesla was quite a thinker !!

supernikolatesla.blogspot.com/p/how-to-b...as-anti-gravity.html

Hi Mipam and SID

SID, that was interesting reading your interpretation and about Tesla ... thankyou.
Mipam... I am not sure how to interpret the "profound" portion of the Seth passage, because i am not sure what he is referring to as the "infinite sphere". If however in this analogy the "infinite sphere" is the quasar, then i think that he is just saying that as we are "looking into or toward" the quasar, we are looking into a type of black hole which is actually opening outwards into other dimensions. It may be that he avoided talk of black and white holes because they would have meant nothing to Jane at that time.

Love Cara xo

Extremely interesting. Thank you for your interpretation, SID!

For myself, I actually found the profound reason the easiest to understand, although it did take me quite a few tries to get past the almost-rambling sentences.

I took it to simply mean that space is an illusion. So wherever we look, even if it *seems* backward in space, is actually here - we aren't really (physically?) separated by location from what we're seeing. There is no here versus there. There is just here. And here is everywhere and anywhere.

Sky

Hi SID,



Thanks for your view on this. Regarding the simple reason, it indeed makes a lot of sense. After I posted my message I thought of another possible way of looking at it. It is this:

Suppose a Star X is 100 light-years away, which would be, say, a thousand billion kilometres. The star shows features of one that is just about to become a supernova, in our terms (time) in our year 2011. As we look backward into space, we see something that happened a long time ago, which means that the star itself, right now, is already the supernova. From earth we would only see that, say, 10,000 years from now, in the year 12,011. Halfway, in the year 7,011, the star seen from earth would be blue.

Now, suppose a man called mr. Monroe would travel 500 billion kilometres (faster than the speed of light) to a place halfway earth and Star X. Than, according to regular science and in this example, mr. Monroe would see a blue star. Seeing a blue star, would to us earthlings mean he sees the future. But he can’t do (see) that, because that is not how the star and space and time behave. (“your scientists should be able to look forward, and they cannot.”)

With this new explanation and yours, and looking backwards in time, I can’t remember what my original understanding was of the simple reason, although I then said that I only didn’t get the more profound one. But then again, I also don’t know what my future understanding of the simple reason will be, and following Seth, this all makes sense. (unless I’m confused right now)

For the profound reason I still have to reread Seth’s and your texts and then get back to you!

Peace & Joy,
Robert

And I am a big fan of Nicolas Tesla as well; it seems he is gaining popularity these days.