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The Second Coming of Christ (Alexander)
www.alexandermaterial.com/qa_2.html#6 Q: “The second coming of the Christ” is talked about in Seth Speaks by Jane Roberts - when, where, how? (Li) A: We too have mentioned the “latest” coming—we don't wish to assign a specific number to the incarnations of the Christ Entity—in Earthly Cycles, the “Families of Consciousness” chapter. We'll join the Old Testament prophets and Seth in declining to name a specific date and place of incarnation. Think about it: if the specific date and place of incarnation were specified beforehand, what would happen (remember Herod)? In Earthly Cycles we delineate the qualities to look for in that individual. It is through those qualities that the incarnation of the Christ Entity will be recognized: His message will be simple and direct, enunciated in the language of the common people. His message will strike at the heart of the western worldview as a sweeping indictment of all extant political, economic, and religious systems. Most people will be threatened by the implications of his message, especially his condemnation of the capitalist system as intrinsically immoral. He will be dismissed as a starry-eyed dreamer by a majority of society. He will infuriate his foes with his unimpeachable integrity and indifference to monetary gain. He will surrender to legal authority and suffer trial and imprisonment before he will acquiesce to the power structure's attempts to bribe or threaten him into silence. His followers will cripple the system through nonviolent nonparticipation in its economic and political machinery; and This time, he may be a she. Greybear |
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Hi Lloyd
Lovely to see you around again... This looks really interesting, and I noticed that Robert Butts commented on the book. I remember reading in one of the Seth books that a population can call forth a certain personality according to societys needs at the time. Maybe enough people are starting to ask for a 'wayshower'. Many thanks for posting the link Love, Max |
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Hi Max and thanks!
Yes, Seth does describe that phenomenon. For those who might be interested, I'll go ahead and post some of Seth's comments about the emergence of an "Avatar" and the Second Coming of the Christ. It is described by Seth as part of a process in which the consciousness of Mankind draws forth a personality to express outwardly the truth of those issues that they hold inwardly. In this way, (we) are able to behold these truths outwardly, making it easier for the ego to accept them. Seth says in "Seth Speaks", "Thus you deal often with events in which men are touched by great illumination, isolated from the mass of humanity, and endowed with great powers - periods of history that appear almost unnaturally brilliant in contrast with others; prophets, geniuses, and kings shown in greater-than-human proportion. "Now these people are chosen by others to manifest outwardly the interior truths that all intuitively know. There are many levels of significance here. On the one hand, such individuals receive their unearthly abilities and power from their fellows, contain it, exhibit it in the physical world for all to see. They play the part of the blessed inner self that actually cannot operate within physical reality uncloaked by flesh. This energy, however, is a quite valid projection from the interior self. "The personality so touched by it actually DOES then become, in certain terms, what he seems to be. He will emerge as an eternal hero in the external religious drama, as the inner self is the eternal hero of the interior religious drama. "This mystic projection is a continual activity. When the strength of one great religion begins to diminish and its physical effects grow less, THEN the internal drama begins once again to quicken. The highest of man's aspirations, therefore, will be projected upon physical history. The dramas themselves will differ. Remember, they are built up internally first. "They will be formed to impress world conditions at any time, and therefore couched in symbols and events that will most impress the populace. This is craftily done, for the inner self knows exactly what will impress the ego, and what kinds of personalities will be best able to personify the message at any given time. When such a personality appears in history, then, he is intuitively recognized, for the way has long been laid, and in many cases the prophecies announcing such an arrival have already been given. "The individuals so chosen do not just happen to appear among you. They are not chosen at random. They are individuals who have taken upon themselves the responsibility for this role. After their births they are aware to varying degrees of their destiny, and certain trigger experiences may at times arouse their full memory. "They serve quite clearly as human representatives of All-That-Is. Now since each individual is a part of All-That-Is, to some extent each of you serve in that same role. In such a religious drama however, the main personality is much more conscious of his inner knowledge, more aware of his abilities, far better able to use them, and exultantly familiar with his relationship to all of life" Seth, however, in "Seth Speaks", very clearly predicts the physical manifestation of the Christ Entity in a very powerful way. Very consistent with Alexander's short description of his mission. To review, Seth describes the LAST manifestation as distributed among three personalities: John the Baptist, "Christ", and Paul, or Saul. The third personality, Paul, is described by Seth as being unsatisfied in his mission. It is this third personality which is predicted to return in order to carry out his original intent in a much more powerful manifestation, as I understand it. So there are described three instances of the Christ Consciousness with the fourth coming manifestation being a repeat of the "Paul" personality. In "Seth Speaks" Session 585, Seth describes the situation: "Paul tried to deny knowing who he was, until his experience with conversion. Allegorically, he represented a warring faction of the self that fights against his own knowledge and is oriented in a highly physical manner. It seems he went from one extreme to another, being against Christ and then for him. But the inner vehemence was always present, the inner fire, and the recognition that he tried for so long to hide.' "His was the portion that was to deal with physical reality and manipulation, and so these qualities were strong in him. To some extent they overruled him. When the historical Christ "died," Paul was to implement the spiritual ideas in physical terms, to carry on. In so doing, however, he grew the seeds of an organization that would smother the ideas. He lingered after Christ [just] as John the Baptist came before. Together the three spanned some time period, you see. "John and the historical Christ each performed their roles and were satisfied that they had done so. Paul alone was left at the end unsatisfied, and it is about his personality that the future Christ will form. "The entity of which these personalities are part, that entity which you may call the Christ entity, was aware of these issues. The earthly personalities were not aware of them, although in periods of trance and exaltation much was made known to them. "Paul also represented the militant nature of man, that had to be taken into consideration in line with man's development at the time. That militant quality in man will completely change its nature, and be dispensed with as you know it, when the next Christ personality emerges. It is therefore appropriate that Paul be present. "In the next century, the inner nature of man, with these developments, will free itself from many constraints that have bound it. A new era will indeed begin - not, now, a heaven on earth, but a far more sane and just world, in which man is far more aware of his relationship with his planet and of his freedom within time." Continuing....... "The third personality mentioned many times by me, has not in your terms yet appeared, although his existence has been prophesied as the "Second Coming" (Matthew 24). Now these prophesies were given in terms of the current culture at that time, and therefore, while the stage has been set, the distortions are deplorable, for this Christ will not come at the end of your world as the prophecies have been maintaining. "He will not come to reward the righteous and send evildoers to eternal doom. He will, however, begin a new religious drama. A certain historical continuity will be maintained. As happened once before, however, he will not be generally known for who he is. There will be no glorious proclamation to which the whole world will bow. He will return to straighten out Christianity, which will be in shambles at the time of his arrival, and to set up a new system of thought when the world is sorely in need of one. "By that time, all religions will be in severe crisis. He will undermine religious organizations - not unite them. His message will be that of the individual in relation to All-That-Is. He will clearly state methods by which each individual can attain a state of intimate contact with his own entity; the entity to some extent being man's mediator with All-That-Is. "By 2075, all this will be already accomplished. "The third personality of Christ will indeed be known as a great psychic, for it is he who will teach humanity to use those inner senses that alone make true spirituality possible. Slayers and victims will change roles as reincarnational memories rise to the surface of consciousness. Through the development of these abilities, the sacredness of all life will be intimately recognized and appreciated." Enough for now. Love Lloyd |
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Hi Lloyd
Im so glad u posted this, ive read it several times b4 and every time i read it i hope that im alive to c it happen.ah such exciting wonderfilled thoughts to be found in the seth material!Love it Thanks again, Melissa |
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I looked at some of the Alexander book descriptions and they look interesting.
Here is a not very important question from a relative newcomer to the Seth Material: I am currently reading my fourth Seth book (Unknown Reality V2). I have read these four books one after the other. If you were me, would you take a pause from Seth and read one of the Alexander books? Would it provide a helpful different perspective? Or would you continue with Seth until you had finished the eight or so Seth-dictated books? Thanks. (Maybe I should have asked this in the "Seth Beginners" forum.) |
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Hi Irashby.
"If you were me, would you take a pause from Seth and read one of the Alexander books? Would it provide a helpful different perspective? Or would you continue with Seth until you had finished the eight or so Seth-dictated books?" Seth is the wonderful "original" source, as I see it. Kind of like the "Bible" of channeled material of this age. The Alexander books are relatively focused and straightforward and my own attraction to them is that he presents material that describes very effectively (to me, at least) "how things work". Personally I jump around quite a bit in my reading. I see no problem "following my inclinations" - whatever excites my interest is what I take up at the time. If you prove to be interested in one of the Alexander books, "Conscious Life, Creating Your Reality" would be a good starting point. The wonderful Elias material (searchable on-line) is another great source. I've personally found no conflicts in these sources except for the language and terminology differences. And when I read something in one source, it often expands and clarifies what I read in another. Again, whatever your Inner Witness opens to YOU is the ONLY valid leading or recommendation that can be made. Just start with that and see where it leads you! Have fun! Thanks and welcome! Love Lloyd |
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