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Re:what are beliefs? 2 years, 6 months ago #1777

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thanks mike! what i really like in here is that reminder of not limiting ourselves to the way in which it will come - whatever we are looking to create. i keep forgetting, and like that image of simply seeding it into framework 2, then letting 'it' bring it to me in whatever way is the best/easiest/etc...


love,

michael


ps - and i had heard of bashar before, nice getting to 'see' him, too!

Re:what are beliefs? 2 years, 6 months ago #1778

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hi allen!

I thought beliefs were suggestions re-enforced by inner talking?


hmmm... this sounds kind of cool. a suggestion, almost on auto-pilot, huh? kept alive by the inner talking... i like it. and interestingly, i've been reading ekhart tolle's book 'a new earth' lately and it's been really really great - i don't agree with him fully on some things, but his idea of the mind creating so much incessant chatter, that 'it' (the chatter) becomes what we think we 'are'. so this would exactly fit in with that model. (btw, for anyone interested i'm finding it a great book that supplements/addresses some stuff that seth either doesn't address, or i just haven't gotten to yet... but he pretty much demonizes the mind and (outer) ego, which i'm not really on board with).


On matters like these, I like to consult the chart...


wow - it's gotta be nice, to have that as a nice reference... a way to step out of whatever's going on in your life at a particular point and go 'ahhhhh... it's all cool... here's where i'm at...'. understanding...


[snip]So if a belief attracts thoughts, it can not be a thought.

I never thought of beliefs all being there at once like Michael describes.



mike mentioned about beliefs as repeated thoughts is something abraham talks about, and i'm sure i must have heard it at some point from there, but where it came together for me was when i was wondering how to get rid of an unwanted belief? because many of them, for me, seem to keep coming back. then i thought (no pun intended), you can't get rid of them - they're always there. every belief ever believed is there, and available for me. it's just a matter of what i focus on/with/in that is 'active' at that particular moment in time - and has the potential to be created physically.

and with your idea that the inner talking reinforces it, a belief - then that makes perfect sense.



This sounds more like the definition of a virus, which Seth claims we have all viruses dormant within in us that is why inoculations are irrelevant.


irrelevant because if there is a belief (let's say) that you will get the virus, you will. or, you may use the virus as an aid in presenting yourself with a situation in which you can physically present yourself with your own beliefs.

so the belief is not a virus and a virus is not a belief - but each (and all) exist as potential/probable outcomes - that may or may not be created in physical - depending on what we focus on/in/with...



I don't really think beliefs are thoughts either, as Seth mentions thoughts come and go and we never really know where they came from or where they went to. But beliefs are constant and remain.


but see, i would argue that you've presented yourself with the perfect explanation/reason that a belief may be a thought - a thought that is 'constant and remains' because it is reinforced by inner talking.

i don't know, what do you think?

That is "invisible beliefs" other beliefs can be change. I like the analogy that Seth uses that root assumptions house many beliefs. That is generally where I try to focus my efforts on changing beliefs. It seems the most efficient. A belief about this or that can change like the weather, but those root assumptions are where pruning the tree has the most effect.


i ABSOLUTELY agree.... )))))


love,

michael

Re:what are beliefs? 2 years, 6 months ago #1779

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hey melissa...

...yet the longer i study the more i see myself as separate from my beliefs


EXACTLY!!!! isn't that cool??? it becomes a game then, doesn't it? i've started to not take things so seriously, is that what you're feeling?



I think beliefs are there to be manipulated moved around and used in different way to get to know our selves better and learn how we create and how to create.


this is really perfect, i really believe this also - it's kind of an adventure, isn't it?

a game, and an adventure... ))))))



love,

michael

Re:what are beliefs? 2 years, 6 months ago #1780

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wow john -

Yes, my beliefs have changed dramatically concerning who, what, where, when, why I am in this Play and I now intuitively grasp what use to baffle me before--all due to my personal BELIEFS that have practically saved my integrity and my life.


that's awesome!!!

congrats... ))

now i gotta get busy with mine!



love,

michael

Re: what are beliefs? 2 years, 6 months ago #1792

All these replies have been very insightful. When I try to explain this concept of identifying beliefs to my children I use the term "supposed to". If the kids have a "supposed to" feeling about something then they have identified a belief about that thing. Getting them to realize that there is *NO* 'SUPPOSED TO' is both an unnerving idea and an empowering one. It has been a rather easy way to get them to catch themselves propagating negative or unproductive beliefs.

Re:what are beliefs? 2 years, 6 months ago #1802

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i would argue that you've presented yourself with the perfect explanation/reason that a belief may be a thought


I thought someone would comment on that...

The belief remains while the thought flows. The first analogy that comes to mind is a stream. Thoughts are the water, beliefs are the stones that the water flows around.

I often use a technique described in Seth Speaks for altering beliefs. You must examine yourself in great detail internally and really dig for the root a belief. Once you have found it, offer up an affirmation that you are going to set it aside and accept an undistorted version from the inner self. There is also the imagining of its opposite. I think by polarizing a belief with your thoughts, you can diminish the electro-magnetic field that attracts the belief to the conscious mind. Once again, visit the chart. Just perform the exercise for 5-10 minutes, then set it aside and let it be. Your inner self will take care of the request.

they're always there. every belief ever believed is there

Probably yes, practically no. I would offer up that you may be holding onto a belief that probability itself may overwhelm you unless you defend against it. Visit that place, imagine your beliefs as stars or numbers or whatever version of infinity you can muster. Then become one with it and you will rise to the surface and realize that they are all there and you did/will hold all those beliefs, but the point-of-power is now as you surf upon the field of probability.

I have a place in my mind that I call the garden of beliefs. It is a beautiful place atop a rocky peak. When I am searching for beliefs, I visit this place and try to locate the belief I am trying to alter within this landscape. I imagine the belief as an object or shape. Sometimes it is a plant, sometimes an outcropping or a door that won't open. Some beliefs are tricky and won't hold any one given form. In that case use your imagination. You have unlimited power in this place so cast a net and go fishing. See what you pull in. Sometimes I will just dig and dig until an image appears in my mind. That image will be a shape/object that I can use to reference the belief. Once I have handle on the shape I can grapple with it and toss it off the mountain top. One summer I spent a lot of time in my real garden pulling weeds and it was easy to simply visit my rocky place and pull belief weeds as well. This way I got some physical work done too!
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