Part 1- something is missing in the kingdom


Greetings folks,{ and please everybody join in with whatever insights you might have ]

These thoughts come off my conversation with Jeff and Bill I over on blogs.I am going to look at the issue as it applies to me because that is what I can change , that is what I know .These are issues that have bothered me more over the last 6 months

But Before I begin

Please , Don’t feel this post is about you,or is a commentary on the so called seth community , or anyones favorite [non Seth] Spook or Spookette.

Let’s look at the issue without defensiveness and the usual knee jerk reactions or self blame if possible, and without the standard catch all one liner to everything " but you create your own reality yada yada yada etc "

And last can we make it personal , whats going on with us individually rather than a debate on what others are doing, or should do or what seth said they could do? My big questionis what am I doing or not doing and why ?

Questions and concerns that come to my mind

-Do I really believe the Seth material, do I take it to heart, and do I practise as if I mean it and if I don’t why not?

-Is isolation ever a good enough excuse, (I have used it as an excuse) for not implimenting things or does isolation lead to real difficulties in practise, after all the buddhists and many other schools speak of the need of a practise group/sangha.

- does mixing seth teachings with other channled material really help me or does it lead to just more information. spook information overload often contradictory?

-why do I get so irritated with constant theorizing and the small amount of practical sustained application

-What am I going to do about it? Seriously. I believe 5 years of commited effort and focus would make a great difference. 5 years...less time than it takes to become a Doctor. But......



Well, I am not a hopeless case entirely, and I am a long way from being an armchair Seth material theoretician...but I still feel as if I have the the equivalent of a Jag and all I am doing doing is going to safeways and back and creating a parking space. Brilliant. Not.


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Hi Augustina:

Excuse me while I jerk my knees out of the way... Ah, that's better!



I've studied a lot of Ways over the past few decades. I can poke holes in just about all of them. With Seth, pretty much every time I've had a disagreement between something I've read (i.e. Seth's words) and my views... I've ended up changing my views. Usually after a good bout of ranting, but I'm getting better at that over the years.



I appreciate having a forum such as this for sharing ideas, but in the end, it is a solitary journey for each of us. There is a saying, "I tried to teach you to be yourself, but I find that I cannot. I can only teach you to be me, for I am the only model that I have."



Personally, I'm not a 'follower' of Seth. Or anyone. As Seth said, "I speak to those who do NOT understand their own infinity. Those who do have no need of me!" I take in what makes sense to me at the time, from whatever Source, and apply it in my life. What I don't like or don't agree with, I set aside. It doesn't mean it's any less valid, it's just not for me, for now. Tomorrow I might change my mind. Again, I try to remember that what I experience in the physical is the result, the mirror of my inner feelings, thoughts and beliefs. Therefore if I read something, say of Seth's work, it's not that I read the information and then go and apply it in my life. On the contrary, reading it, having it in front of me to read, is showing me what I already believe to be true. If I don't like that belief, I'm free to change it to one that suits me better.


That's something I'm sure we've all experienced. The question is, what do you learn from this irritation?



It's not about the 'time' it takes. All time is Now anyway, although that concept is really hard to grasp for those of us with wristwatches. It's about being open to your Self. There's no prescribed time for that, nor is there a time limit.

Love,
Mike.

Lol Mike :-) knee jerks outta the way! Ok I am going to look more deeply into your answers when I get back .

Love, love

Hi Augustina,
This is a topic of my heart and one my thoughts travel to on a daily basis. I've written a blogpost about this once, some years back and will see if I still agree with some of the things I wrote about there and add some new thoughts of me now.

Your question about "spook"overload makes a lot of sense to me, after reading more and more material I came to a point where I said: ok! enough mind-stuffing now and realised more and more that life itself contains all the answers I'm looking for.

Some years back I had a dream about bread that might be a nice illustration of the things discussed here:

Frozen bread in the freezer:

I get visitors of old schoolmates (Johanna and her boyfriend). Just before they arrived there were a lot of people eating bread at the huge tables that are in the garden/patio. They left after they eaten their bread, fulfilled and happily chatting. They were older than me, mostly in their 50's and had a great time. I was not participating in the eating of the bread. As my old schoolmates enter I start to worry: Do I have enough bread to offer them? I look in the freezer and to my big relief there is bread, much of it in frozen packages. Some of the bread has already been in the toaster, other bread is newer and white. There is more than enough and I take one package out of the freezer. It's cold and needs to defrost. I realise that I have to be careful, not to want to break slices of the bread off too early because then it will break to pieces. I realise that i have to be patient and wait until it defrost naturally.

A short and simple dream but with a very important message:

The bread stands for nourishment of the psyche in whatever shape of form.

The people who are having bread before my friends arrive are all older than me, reflective of the people who are older then me here for instance on the forums or anywhere else in life who are all enjoying various meals that nourishes them (life experiences, books they read, conversations they have etc.)

I'm worried that I can't offer my friends any bread; here comes my fear to the surface: of not having sufficient information to offer, even worse to have an empty freezer and have nothing to offer. But when I open the freezer I see that my unconscious (the freezer) is filled with bread (nourishment for the psyche) that only needs to be taken out and defrosted.

I don't have to take out everything at once, but can choose to pick out of it what we can eat. What we can digest at one moment. Some of this bread already had treatment, it's already toasted. This refers to material that has been given by others for instance Seth, friends, books etc. But stored in the freezer again to be combined with new ingredients (for instance my home made jelly!) and can make interesting new combinations.

Some of the bread is new, reflected in the dream by its whiteness. When I take some bread out of the freezer I should be careful not to try to eat the bread too early. It hurts the teeth, is not as enjoyable and you have the chance that it breaks in difficult to handle pieces. This is a kind of natural warning thing that says:

Everything in life has its own natural rythm that you can trust! You don't have to hasten its "defrostation". When we honestly follow our impulses and not force ourselves we will get jummy bread. (To mind comes my mothers attempts to defrost bread in the microwave and that when she would put them in there too long, the bread would taste horribly, it would be hot and sloppy, the natural "warming up"in the room would ensure jummy bread).

Now preferably I let nature do its work and let it be warmed up naturally by the warmth of the room or the sun. This is symbolic for the warmth of my own trust and the love and nurturing of myself and my process.

It's important that the bread is defrosted totally, the information carefully given the time to "ripe"and soften because otherwise it will be shattered in pieces and by that not so easy to use/apply (just as with bread, shattered in pieces it is quite difficult to put jelly on). off course there are many more layers to this dream but that's for another time :-) my interpretation here is not complete.

What people do I think when they are "hoarding"information they are symbolically speaking constantly baking bread but not eating it, it piles up and it piles up. When you don't freeze it into your unconscious it will rot and it will become unusable. But there is a point where the freezer is filled to the rim and you have to eat some of it. (in other words: to practically apply it)

That's why I firmly believe that we attract the information that we need and that we can trust that we will attract our "psychological"food and don't have to "hoard" it.

a full freezer is a nice safe thought....but doesn't fresh baked bread makes for an even tasty-er meal?

(this is where trust comes to play, why do we hoard so much information? is it because we are afraid to "miss out"on something? that we will not have sufficient information to live our lives???? there are many people (and Seth has stated this many times) that never came into contact with any of his material but who live it.

That gives us something to ponder....

I think that "channeling"or so called "spook"material (don't like both terms) is so overrated. I wrote about this before and will write about this time and time again but I think that channeling is a creative process, nothing more.
I've often seen that people say: because it is channeled it is closer to "source" and more of that bogus (sorry for my strong wording here but I really feel strongly about this).

Channeling is to me a creative improvisation of our consciousness that happens all the time but because we are so afraid to lose our identity we make devisions where there are really no devisions at all.

I think when we go into our explorations, we travel these landscapes of self, coming into another area where we (in our terms) connect with certain roots that are never lost nor gone. We try to tap into these other parts in our personal landscape of the psyche, just like my mom travels to her old home. And just like she slips into the ways of speaking she had back when she was younger, we do the same.

Does this mean that the mom who visits her sisters is a different personality than the mom speaking to me when she is in Losser? (the place she lives in now)

I never make that strange mistake to think she is, I just know that this is a different aspect, a different expression of who she is, it's her also and they never need to be in conflict. They exist simultaneously all within herself.

She doesn't worry about her change of accent, for she knows it is also her. When my mom is in Losser, this aspect is still within her and colors her way of behaving just like when my mom is in Brabant (her old home) she is influenced by who she is in Losser.

Why are people making this strange seperation then...when we visit the different landscapes of our personality structure?

When we label the different aspects we do so for reference sake, just as we do when we talk about our nose or our ears or our eyebrows.

They are all different parts that together make up our body, just like all our aspects make up our identity. They are in reality never separated even though we can talk about them individually.

Our nose wouldn’t be what it is if it wasn’t placed in exactly the location, below in between the eyes, in that intricate balance of all the other different aspects in the body. It never stands alone. Where does your cheek start and where does your mouth end? They all flow in and out of each other just like our aspects do.

I think many people feel that the physical life we live in is less precious than our other sphere's of attention. While I think the physical adventure we are indulging in is very important and is not the less important version of existence, to be escaped from. It is utterly precious and important and just as spiritual than any spirtual experience someone can have.

another dream I had contained a section that I would love to share here also:

Claartje (my twinsister) enthused, shows me something she brought with her. A Ouija board. She says: hey look what I have here! It's far better than the old one I used in the past. Look! but I can't operate it.

I say: but I can...
and take a closer look at the object. It is beautiful. It's not a Ouija board like I normally know them. This one is very special. This particular Ouija board is a big puzzle. Literally a puzzle. You all are probably familiar with those puzzle blocks. So not the normal jig-saw puzzle, but those that contains wooden blocks with pictures on it. THis way you do not have only one puzzle, but more, in this case six different puzzles.

The puzzle is not finished, and you can only use this particular Ouija board if you have solved at least one of the puzzles. I look with great enthusiasm at the blocks. Take them in my hand and marvel at their beauty. I notice that the six puzzles all have a similar theme, but and this is significant, they are made by different artists, they have a different style. Still they have a similar theme.

Another thing I notice with great enthusiasm is a picture aside the board where you can see how the puzzles look like when they are finished. I can already see the finished pictures, they are already there, ti's just up to me to figure out how to make them. I feel great joy beginning the puzzle.

I start with looking at the marvellous pictures on the blocks and I notice something more, the persons that are being shown on the board are all situated on the same places, on each puzle. So if you have for instance two people situated on one of the puzzles on the left side of the picture figure skating, you have at the same spot on one of the other puzzles two different looking people eating a sandwich. (I give these two thigns as an example, I don't recall what the people did who where shown on the puzzles).

I'm amazed by the overlap and simultaneaously the differences between the puzzles. They have a different style; are created by different artist but have a similar theme. They all make up this huge Ouija board."

The Ouija board in the dream is very important. It is a puzzle, you have to solve it first, than you can work on it. The puzzle itself, the solving of the puzzle is justas interesting and fun as operating the board itself. The road to the destination is very valuable and enjoyable. In the dream I'm very happy to be working on it.

There are six different puzzles, all showing a similar theme. This particular dream has many layers. One that is important regarding your topic here is that in order to use the Ouija board in a practical way you have to at least focus on one puzzle side. This could be physical life, thats the one requirement, that you at least work on that one. I think we can see the other puzzles sides as other sphere's of attention we can focus upon, it could reflect (and does reflect all simultaniously I think) different lifetime experiences of our psyche. We can peek into those other sides when we wish to add to our understandings, get a different perspective, but they all work on similar themes in different guises all adding to the understanding of the whole.

The Ouija board itself is not the answer, it is a road you can travel and by using your own abilities find your own answers.

I also feel that the is different puzzles might have to do with the families of consciousness for instance and I"m usre it is reflecive of many more things. You yourself can chose with what puzzle you want to operate the Ouija board. This is similar to one person feeling more connections to the Seth material over for instance other books/information to use as glasses to view life.
The most important thing is this dream is that the puzzle itself is not the answer but a tool you can utilse to find your own answers.

We should never mistake the tool for the answer and without your own consciousness you can't even operate the tool no matter how many you have gathered.

I wrote this some time ago that illustrates this, I wrote this focusing on the perspective of another lifetime of mine, Yosef, (his worldview) writings I once hope to compile into a book. He worked as a journalist for a small local newspaper and loves words and writing (just as I love them, that's why I can reach and get this "bread"in the first place):

Words function as vehicles to worlds of understanding fueled by your own imagination and creativity. Without these two aspects they will not move you to the understanding they were created for. They will seem empty and without meaning, until you have experience to help you understand what is written. Sometimes you have to learn a new way of deciphering information to understand the information at hand, at other times you have to make new connections in already existing frameworks.

When someone rereads a book after several months or years, often the reader might say: “I find something new in it every time I read it”. This is because the whole experience is in a way new, over the years the person who reads the book has changed, subtly and sometimes more drastically. New associations and connections are there that fuel and steer the vehicle to a new destination in the land of understanding. This does not mean that the old personal “adaptation” was false or distorted, quite the contrary, it is just as valid a road. It slowly dawns on the reader that the land of understanding is far greater than he/she thought at first.

More thoughts on this subject matter later!!

Wonderful post Emmy and per usual your love affair with words shows through. I like many have spent literally years pursuing the spiritual. Book after book I searched and one day during a session with our in house entity whom we named Lodi came thru with one important message. "you have read all the books Richard now it it time to live life to the fullest".
At one time I got on the kick of pursuing OBE and had some success in the endeavor. During this time Lodi came thru and told me "if you knew how much effort you took in creating and entering your body, why would you want to escape it?
By the way I wish you guys well in the new marraige experience.
Love
Richard

emmyvanswaaij wrote:


Hi Emmy,

yes spook overload, which taps into a pervious new age overload. The thing I found with channelled sources is that it took me longer to draw the line and really say enough.

It was a particular body of material I came across the to me was so ludicrous it woke me up to what I was doing…i.e. giving credence to any material that was channelled and claimed as a follow on from Seth.

I actually got angry with myself because deep down I found all this other stuff purporting to be a more advanced form of the Seth material was so much weaker and so much a contradiction on the original material

6 months ago , I looked over the Seth material again and realised , I would close the door on other channelled It wasn’t that radical a choice.I was reminded how it really didn’t matter which path I followed ,it only mattered that I stop being so scattered amongst sources. More to come.

Love, love.